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Which type of transsexual?

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Which type are you?

Male to Female transsexualism was classified by Ray Blanchard into 2 different types: HomoSexual Transsexual (HSTS) and Autogynephilic (AGP).

They have  different characteristics, most notable being their primary sexual orientation: HSTS are uniquely attracted to men, whereas AGPs have a complex array of sexualities. These are all based on their autogynephilia, which Blanchard defined as ‘a man’s propensity to be aroused at the thought of himself as a woman’.

We should be aware that ‘arousal’ doesn’t just mean in the sense of becoming sexually excited, though that is a prominent characteristic of AGPs in the West. In fact there appear to be romantic and existential components to autogynephilia, which is a subtle and complex orientation. This has led some writers, for example Dr Alice Dreger, to suggest a definition of ‘amour de soi en femme’ — being in love with oneself as a woman. I would put that slightly differently: being in love with the idea of oneself as a woman.

Tweet: How can you tell whether a person is, in Blanchard terms, HSTS or AGP?

How can you tell which is which?

Professor J Michael Bailey, in his book The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism, created a shortened version of Blanchard’s test for autogynephilia, which I have copied below. My thanks to Prof. Bailey for this.

I reviewed his book some time ago and recommend it. It is valuable not only for transsexuals seeking to find out about themselves, but also for others who just want to know more about transsexualism. Particularly so if you have someone close who has come out as transsexual (AGPs often call themselves ‘transgender’, but that is a political term and we will stick to the science.)

Before you do the test, remember that it was primarily designed for  white, culturally Western respondents. If you are from another, non-Anglo-Saxon culture, then it may be misleading. If you are Asian, this is especially likely to be the case. By all means do the test for fun, but treat it in that manner. If you are from an Anglo-Saxon or north European culture, however, this short test seems very successful.

Which Type of Transsexual are you?

Bailey’s short test.

‘I have devised a set of rules that should work even for the novice (though admittedly, I have not tested them). Start at zero. Ask each question, and if the answer is “Yes,” add the number (+1 or -1) next to the question. If the sum gets to +3, stop; the transsexual you’re talking to is autogynephilic. If the sum gets to -3, she is homosexual.

Score Plus One

+1 Have you been married to a woman?
+1 As a child, did people think you were about as masculine as
other boys?
+1 Are you nearly as attracted to women as to men? Or more
attracted to women? Or equally uninterested in both? (Add 1 if “Yes”
to any of these.)
+1 Were you over the age of 40 when you began to live full time
as a woman?
+1 Have you worn women’s clothing in private and, during at
least three of those times, become so sexually aroused that you masturbated?
+1 Have you ever been in the military or worked as a policeman
or truck driver, or been a computer programmer, businessman, lawyer,
scientist, engineer, or physician?

Score Minus One.

-1 Is your ideal partner a straight man?
-1 As a child, did people think you were an unusually feminine
boy?
-1 Does this describe you? “I find the idea of having sex with
men very sexually exciting, but the idea of having sex with women is
not at all appealing.”
-1 Were you under the age of 25 when you began to live full
time as a woman?
-1 Do you like to look at pictures of really muscular men with
their shirts off?
-1 Have you worked as a hairstylist, beautician, female impersonator, lingerie model, or prostitute?

Finally, if the person has been on hormones for at least six months,
ask yourself this question:

If you didn’t already know that this person was a transsexual, would
you still have suspected that she was not a natural-born woman?
+1 if your answer is “Yes” (if you would have suspected)
-1 if your answer is “No”

Keep in mind that people don’t always tell the truth. This interview could be invalid if the transsexual is actually autogynephilic but is either (a) worried that you will think badly of her or deny her a sex change if you know the truth, or (b) obsessed with being a “real” woman.’

Caveats

A few caveats from me. When Prof. Bailey says ‘if you didn’t already know this person was a transsexual’, he is assuming a non-expert knowledge level. If you have a lot of TS friends or are yourself TS, then you shouldn’t score for that question. (And if you’re testing yourself, be honest!)

If you are Asian, then this test will probably be unreliable. Both types do exist in these cultures, but we don’t know what the relative numbers are. In addition, the AGP type in particular is markedly different in Asia. There are some who fit the Western model but most do not and this test won’t accurately identify them. The reasons for this are unknown, because little real research has been done. (I just ran the test with answers from a couple of Asian TS friends and the results were inconclusive, neither reaching +3 or -3.)

Please note that the understanding of whether a person is HSTS or AGP does not impact on their value as people. Nor is one type of transsexualism somehow more valid or higher in status than the other. It might, however, help individuals to understand themselves and plan their lives, if they do know which type they are.

Gender Dysphoria.

Finally, transsexualism is a broad church and it is not restricted to those who have had or  seek to have Genital Reconstruction Surgery (GRS). The requirement for this is a function of a phenomenon called gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria is, broadly defined, an intense sense of discomfort with those physical features of your body which do not align with your own sense of gender. While there is evidence that HSTS and AGPs feel gender dysphoria in different ways, we do not know if these differences are fundamental or superficial.

In any case, it is the intensity that is important. If you have severe dysphoria, to the point that it is beginning to compromise your life, then you need to take action to alleviate it, no matter whether you are HSTS or AGP.

GRS may be appropriate but it is not always and less drastic interventions are preferable if they succeed. GRS is both purely cosmetic and, in clinical terms, palliative. The subject is not ‘cured’, she is just made to feel better. However, this is not a reason to refuse it, as Blanchard argues in Part Two of this pamphlet.

 

IMPORTANT: If you have, or know of, a child whom you think may be transsexual, please DO NOT try to use this test to assess them.

The care of gender non-conforming children is extremely delicate and uniformed or careless therapy can do far more harm than good.

Many children exhibit what appear to be gender non-conforming behaviours but grow out of them. Role play, including gender play, is a normal part of children finding out about themselves and their place in the world.

While children experimenting with cross-gender roles should definitely not be punished or discouraged, neither should they be encouraged. Just leave them alone to find their path, and let them know that whatever they are, they will still be loved.

 

*These are sometimes called ‘Early Onset Androphilic Transsexual’ or EOT and ‘Late Onset Gynephilic Transsexual’, or LOT, but I will use the Blanchard terms. This is because today, we see AGPs (LOTs) appearing in their early teens as well as being, or becoming, attracted to men (androphilic). These are just components of the remarkable complexity of AGP, but they do make the later terms confusing. Blanchard at least calls a 3/8 spanner a 3/8 spanner…

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6 thoughts on “Which type of transsexual?”

  1. Hi Rod,

    A man of his word – I like that. Too bad your taken. Thank you for following up so fast.

    I can see now why this research and test can be so touchy. However, I will bear in mind that this not the comprehensive Blanchard instrument used by a psychologist though rather, if you like, a ‘mini self test’.

    Also you are right when you state in your articles that I do not know what it is like to be a female. I am not a female and I was not raised as a female, so I don’t know what it is like to be a female. However I am not a typical male but from my upbringing I know how to behave as a typical male.

    For the record my scores in order:
    -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 +1
    -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 +1
    +1 (just look at my features like feet, hands, brow, ect – dead give away)

    Thanks again for following through.

    Kind regards,

    Emily Wells

    1. Hi Emily

      I will post a link to the updated full autogynephilia test later, but it’s a bit harder work. I am still very confused as to why the model in Asia is so different from the West. My hunch — and I can’t confirm it without proper research — is that a combination of three things at least partly explains it.

      One is the fact that in Asia, anybody who doesn’t strictly conform to a narrow masculine social type is automatically a ‘not-man’. This applies to homosexual men and to transsexuals and any ‘gender non-conforming’ types.

      The second is that once identified as a ‘not-man’ they become part of that group, which includes women. So right away you have a support system in place. I have lost count of the number of people who said something like ‘My big brother tried to beat me but my sisters stopped him.’ So that means, far less pressure to ‘pretend to be a man’, which Western AGPs often comment on. There is a powerful support system for all GNC people. Indeed, pretty much all the TS in the Phils call themselves ‘gays’. They don’t mean they are homosexual men, but that they are part of the not-men group and the support system it provides. (Gays — including trans — in the Phils have their own language called ‘bekimon’. Something similar exists in India. This gives a badge of identity and also a way to discuss things without straight people understanding.)I know of boys 7 or 8 years old who are already identified as GNC and are being protected by the not-men group of women and older trans and gays. It becomes a safe and secure place for them to grow up in, even though as GNC people, they have to face discrimination from the broader society.

      The third thing that I think is hugely important and not really understood in the West is pageants and cabarets. Almost all TS girls participate in the pageants and it is a really big deal to them. It gives real purpose and focus to their lives. And of course, the more beautiful and feminine you are, the more chance you have of succeeding. Both HSTS and AGP TS women start on hormones very young, sometimes as young as 13. So by the time they are 20 they are gorgeous. Successful ones then may move into a career in cabaret, which may also involve sex-work, but together these can make them wealthy. Many work in Japan where there is an enormous appetite for gorgeous TS and men who will spend.

      Now when you compare that to the back story of most Western trans, which is typically one of loneliness, fear, isolation, struggling to conform and not understanding at all what was happening, you see a really big difference. (I understand this because I am gynandromorphophilic and it took me bleeding decades to work something really simple out. I know I have it easier — I just go out with TS women, I am not actually one — but it gives me insight. I can relate to the narratives.)

      One positive thing is that the severe conformism of Western culture in this regard appears to be abating. I hope this will mean that young trans people can grow up in safety and confidence, and not have to pretend to be what they are not. I am very concerned about children and I think some activists take it way too far way too early, but I do think things are getting better.

  2. cis* is the term you may be looking for rather than natural born, for folks whose assigned gender at birth, apparent physiological characteristics (namely initial state of genitalia most likely), and true gender/gender identity of the soul Lord Willing, By God line up.

    thanks n thank God
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    1. ‘Cis’ is a politically – inspired pejorative and should never be used. It is highly offensive to those who are not trans. Transwomen are males and ‘transmen’ (actually just lesbians on steroids) are female.

      1. It feels as though you are trolling. Cis is a way to differentiate between the two. There was no birth into transexualism. It is not a pejorative, it is a descriptor similar to e.g., “crazy” which is both a descriptor and a pejorative. No one I have seen uses it as a pejorative but rather uses other words. Transwomen are males in the fact that transwomen have the biological sex of males and transmen being able to be attracted to whomever they please does not mean they are automatically lesbians.

        1. Trolling? Moi? How dare you!

          ‘Cis’ is specifically found to be pejorative by many women — they are women, not ‘cis-women’. I don’d blame them either. The difference is between transwomen (one word) and women. ‘Cis’ is redundant and serves only to deligitimise women.

          Transwomen are indeed males. So-called ‘transmen’ don’t exist; they are either lesbians on steroids or wannabe men who seek to colonise and dominate masculine society (which they refer to as ‘the patriarchy’.) These latter can indeed have sex with anyone…but who would want to have sex with them?

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