Gynandromorphophilia/GAMP: Loving Transwomen

gamp attraction to transwomenGynandromorphophilia, the love of transwomen, is a little-discussed sexual orientation which was made even harder to talk about because it breaks your tongue trying to say it. The conventional acronym is GAMP and that is what we are going to use in this article. We are only going to discuss GAMP as it affects males. There is evidence that some females share this orientation but there is no reliable data.

You may never have heard of GAMP but, despite being popularly ignored, it is a common phenomenon. Put simply, it describes an attraction to transsexual women. The term gynandromorphophilia was coined by Ray Blanchard, who gave us the current scientific position on transsexualism. He was a one for the tongue-twisters too.

The logic goes like this ‘gyn’ (woman) andro (man) morpho (shape) philia (love).*

GAMP is therefore, an ‘attraction to men in the form of women’ but many of the men who have it will not see themselves in that description. However, if we colloquialise it into ‘desire for chicks with dicks’ then most will.

 

 

 

 

Full disclosure: I am GAMP myself, and have been as long as I can remember. This is, for me, one of the most fascinating aspects of my own character.

Two types of trans-attracted men

GAMP principally affects natal men. Those who display it fall into two quite distinct categories. I will call these types ‘autogynephilic gynandromorphophilia’ and ‘non-autogynephilic gynandromorphophilia’. And to avoid damaging my fingers and giving us both a headache, heretofore we shall refer to them as AGP-GAMP and Non-AGP-GAMP respectively.

We do not know exactly how many men have GAMP (in either form) but we know that there are many. This is firstly because of the numbers and profitability of porn sites devoted to transwomen. Then the numbers, globally, of such transwomen working in the sex trade. Finally, the number of non-porn websites devoted to discussing gynandromorphophilia — usually without any knowledge, this being the internet, of what they are actually discussing.

Two Types of Transwomen

Sam. Apparently. HSTS. Definitely

Transwomen (ie, those born male) fall into two completely distinct and unrelated aetiologies. These were described by Blanchard and confirmed by these studies.

In street and conventional parlance, these women are identified, and self -identify, by a range of names. At one end, they refer to themselves as ‘transwomen’ and at the other, at street level, as ‘shemales’, ‘trannies’, ‘transies’, ‘ladyboys’ (in Asia) as well as a whole host of non-English names that mean more-or-less the same. (It is very rare to hear an HSTS transwoman refer to herself as ‘a real woman.’ Such a claim might indicate that you are talking to an AGP.)

There are strong similarities between the two types of GAMP, the most noticeable being that they all like pre-operative transwomen. There may be a small number of men specifically attracted to post-operative transwomen (i.e. with a vagina) but actually most men in relationships with such transwomen are heterosexual. These men effectively get involved with their partners by accident. They didn’t go out seeking a transwoman to have a relationship with; they just met someone they liked who happened to be transsexual.

(Please note that there are some men who are specifically attracted to intersex, rather than transwomen. Intersex people are born with a range of conditions that mean that their genitalia and reproductive organs do not conform to the standard binary models. We are not discussing these men or women here. We are talking specifically about transwomen, and the men attracted to them. While the current research indicates that HSTS transwomen {the ones attracted to men from childhood} do have an intersex phenomenon that affects brain structure, this does not affect genitalia, which are in the normal range for males.)

Non-AGP-GAMP.

These men may be attracted to a range of presentations from feminine girly boys, through transwomen to natal women. They are almost always also attracted to natal women. They will often have been married. Specifically, they do not self-identify as homosexual and they are often sexually repulsed by masculinity. They may have wondered if they are gay, given the nature of their attraction, but they’re not.

They are bisexual but only in the broadest of interpretations. They are apart from ‘gay’ culture which, in the West, is a rigid system of behaviours and appearances strictly policed by the ‘New  Gay Man community’ itself. However, they are not quite straight in the sense that conservative society means it. They may self-identify as ‘straight with a twist’ which is unscientific but conceptually accurate.

Further, the relationship between a Non-AGP-GAMP man and a transwoman clearly has much in common with ‘transgender homosexuality’, in which, as J Michael Bailey puts it, only one partner is truly homosexual.

The relationship itself is vanilla; the man penetrates his partner anally during sex. This fits exactly with the HSTS transwoman’s sexual desire and her self-image. On dating sites, these women will often make it clear that they are ‘bottom only’ which means the receptive partner in sex. Despite this, however, they may enjoy their penises and many will be happy  with sexual fun using them, as long as they are not asked to penetrate.

In life generally, an HSTS will play the woman to his man. When they shop, she will play the wife. When they go out together, he will take pleasure in her appearance, in exactly the same way as he would a natal woman’s. He may feel a ‘trophy status’ and enjoy showing off his gorgeous girlfriend, exactly as he would with a natal woman.

In other words, he will almost certainly exhibit all the flaws that most men do in their relationships with women; to this man, his partner is a woman.

An Experience

So lemme see…you’re HS, you want a man…would you go with this look or Peter Tatchell’s?

Because pre-op HSTS are famously sexually driven, our Non-AGP-GAMP, if he meets and falls in love with one, will be in seventh heaven. He has just met a probably much younger, very sexy woman who will be upset if he doesn’t make love to her every day. To make it better, if she loves him, she will absolutely dote on him. Being really loved by an HSTS transwoman is quite an experience.

This man is put off by all signs of masculinity and himself tends to be genuinely masculine. (The Western ‘gay’ notion of ‘masculine’ is laughable.) He probably likes guitars, cars, guns, motorcycles, photography and masculine music and art forms. He likes action movies, for example, and enjoys, if he’s a reader, thrillers or, on the other hand, factual books. He is not much for ‘woo’ and tends to be pretty grounded.

These men are probably a bit ‘old-fashioned’. They like to hold doors open for women. They don’t expect to go Dutch on dates. They will probably socially defer to their partners in a manner that has become unfashionable in the West; but between the partners, he is always dominant. These characteristics may make such men unpopular with some natal women, but they absolutely delight the HSTS transwoman.

However, despite the above, these men are also, it would appear invariably, attracted to the penis. This means that they cannot strictly consider themselves heterosexual, although they certainly are not ‘gay.’

Perhaps most importantly, the type of transwoman to whom these men are attracted are almost always Blanchard HSTS. They are very rarely in relationships with AGPs. This is partly because they are highly attuned to indications of masculinity, and AGPs, typically, are more masculine than HSTS. (This applies even in Asia, though here the differences are much harder to spot than in the West.)

Non-AGP-GAMP men often seek long-term relationships with transsexual women, and are much sought after, partly for this reason. However, transwomen should realise that a specific and powerful attractor for these men is youthfulness, while at the same time they are repulsed by masculinity. As the transwoman ages, unless she takes very good care of herself, her man may start looking for a younger, more feminine partner.

Such men are usually not homophobic. While they are not attracted to other men sexually, they may well have a number of gay friends; of course gays themselves are often strongly attracted to these men, so this may have something to do with it.

Non-AGP-GAMP men are likely to have experimented with penetrative anal sex with natal women partners. Indeed they may find anal sex more exciting than vaginal sex. While not all men who do this become GAMP, it does seem to be a precursor. Needless to say, if one likes to penetrate anally, then what’s round the front is of less concern.

AGP-GAMP

About half of GAMP men are themselves autogynephilic, that is, ‘attracted to the thought or image of themselves as women’

These men are quite different from the others, although you can’t tell by looking at them. Once again, they may well have been married or have had serious relationships with natal women.

While both types of GAMP men are undeniably attracted to penises, (it’s the definitive attraction in GAMP), AGP-GAMPs like them as big as possible and specifically dislike small ones. (There is a whole genre of cartoon porn that features drawings of women with impossibly large penises; these men love it.)

On the boards and other areas where such men gather, whenever a favourite porn star has GRS, the howls of protest shake the rafters. It is as if the transwoman had deliberately slighted them. (Non-AGP-GAMP men, although they immediately lose their sexual attraction to such transwomen, tend to support them in this life-choice.)

So we see, it is very common for men with GAMP to be themselves autogynephilic, and this is born out in interview after interview with transsexual sex workers. Many such transwomen keep a wardrobe of women’s clothes specifically for their male clients to wear during sex, and many who work the street or the bars will carry frilly underwear and stockings in their handbag for the same purpose.

Once again, pornography imitates life; there are a number of well-known male porn stars — who exclusively make transsexual porn — who are often filmed in women’s underwear and hosiery.

Homophobia

AGP-GAMP men can be extremely homophobic and can actually be dangerous towards transwomen, if the illusion slips for any reason. They are often secretive about their attraction and would rather no-one knew. Since they are usually ignorant, or in denial, of their own autogynephilia, they may think that their attraction makes them ‘gay’. It doesn’t, but since they are so often homophobic, this becomes a hot-button issue.

AGP-GAMP men are often excessively concerned about their partner’s

Does this look like a ‘man in the form of a woman’? No, but chick with dick maybe

appearance and if one actually enters into a long term relationship with a transwoman, he will obsess over her clothing. However this is quite distinct from the way a B-GAMP man enjoys seeing his partner looking good. The A-GAMP is here projecting. He is buying and arranging for his partner to wear the clothes that he himself would like to. She becomes, effectively, an external form of an inner character that his own autogynephilia has developed.

Sexually, this profile is quite unlike the B-GAMP. Most importantly, these men will often, though by no means always, seek to be penetrated. However, because Non-AGP-GAMP men rarely do this, the distinction is still important.

To understand why, you have to cut through the smokescreen of unsupported verbiage that is contemporary ‘queer theory’ and look at some facts. The first is that the act of being penetrated makes a man into a woman, sexually. Men penetrate, women are penetrated.

Non-AGP-GAMP men are men; they have no illusion that they might be women, nor any desire to be one. Their sexual drive is the same as any other man’s, they just like women with penises. If they have tried being penetrated (more than admit this will have done so) they will have really disliked it. They will have put it down to experience and thrown it into the box marked ‘don’t do that again’.

The AGP-GAMP is autogynephilic. His attraction to transwomen is because he wants to be a woman himself and he believes that being penetrated will make him into one. Indeed, while he is being penetrated, he is a woman, in his mind. This is why these men often seek to be treated roughly; they have grown up with the bizarre idea that women should be hurt in sex.

In a recent study it was found that, in cases where men had died of asphyxiation during sex, about 25% were dressed in women’s clothing. This is far higher than the overall estimates of AGP in the general population. This study covered heterosexual encounters but in fact

However, the AGP-GAMP is also homophobic and cannot let a man penetrate him. So his target is the transwoman, who has a functioning penis (the bigger the better) and so can realise his fantasy of being penetrated (and thus ‘becoming a woman’) while avoiding conflict with his homophobia.

Pegging

These men may experiment with activities like ‘pegging’ where they get their natal-women partners to penetrate them using a dildo or strap-on. Some men do this out of simple curiosity, but if it becomes a regular and desired part of the man’s sexual practice, then there is something going on. It’s worth pointing out that if any woman finds her husband asking her to penetrate him with a strap on frequently, she should quietly check the places he hides things. AGP men do not always cross-dress but most do. There is a high likelihood that the woman will discover his cache of ‘dressing’ clothes.

(A noticeable feature of autogynephilia is the extent to which the subjects distort the truth. Autogynephilia depends on a fantastical secret construction that exists in the man’s head. They may not be actually lying, but their version of reality is somewhat at odds with that of others, to say the least. AGP men seeking to justify their desire to be ‘pegged’ will say things like ‘it just feels good’. Well, if it does, then the speaker is either homosexual or autogynephilic, and probably the latter.)

Relationships

Interestingly, AGP-GAMP men are not often in long relationships with  transwomen. I think this is partly because the transwomen instantly spot the autogynephilia in them and are repelled by it. Remember that what happens for money is not necessarily what happens in love. Sex workers are only too happy to cater for AGP-GAMP men, but forming an established relationship with one is less appealing.

What may happen, if anything does, is that the AGP-GAMP man eventually allows his own autogynephilia to take over and transitions too. It is quite common for AGPs to form relationships with other transwomen. Of course, HSTS are uniquely attracted to men, but other AGPs may be receptive to such advances.

I have never encountered a successful long-term relationship between an Non-AGP-GAMP man and an AGP transwoman, although brief encounters are commonplace. Usually the transwoman’s innate masculinity kills it, since Non-AGP-GAMP men are repelled by that. (One such man described his relationship with an AGP woman as being ‘like a homosexual relationship’.)

Blanchard

When Ray Blanchard did his defining work on autogynephilia in the 1980s, it was then the case that the average age of presentation for AGPs was 43, by which time, of course, they were thoroughly masculinised. However, more and more young AGPs are beginning to appear, which is in line with Bailey and Lawrence’s contention that AGP is a discrete sexual orientation. These individuals can be  attractive as women, though not as naturally feminine as HSTS are. As the situation in the West begins to approach the permissiveness of Asia in this regard we should expect to see many more young AGPs.

This may mean that some of these AGP transwomen are sufficiently feminine to attract a male partner, if they are pseudo-bisexual and attracted to men at all.

(In Asia it can be very difficult to tell the difference between HSTS and AGPs because both groups there tend to begin taking hormones very early, between the age of 12 and 18. In addition, most AGPs there are either pseudo-bisexual or asexual, though a few exhibit open gynephilia and have girlfriends. Indeed I would say that, without sophisticated interviewing, it’s only possible to tell by their sexual appetite and the fact that HSTS are repelled by the idea of sex with other women, excepting, of course, paid-for encounters.)

Bane

HSTS transwomen, it has to be said, consider AGP-GAMP men to be the bane of their lives, at least in private, though they are a lucrative source of income for working girls. The last thing most HSTS transwomen want to do is to penetrate; their desire is to be taken sexually by a powerful, masculine, straight man. Such a transwoman emphatically does not want to play the male role in sex. As one girl said to me, ‘there’s nothing worse than getting on the bed with a man and the next thing he’s reversing towards your cock like a woman.’

(I know of one long term relationship, of over 8 years, in which the man’s persistent requests to be penetrated eventually provoked his HSTS partner to have GRS. Needless to say, the relationship broke up soon after.)

 

The two types do not mix well

One thing to note is that the two types of GAMP men do not generally mix well. This contrasts with HSTS/AGP relations which, while often soured in the West by the AGP’s male competitiveness, in Asia tend to be more relaxed. In both cases, AGPs appear to ‘chaperone’ HSTS, who are generally younger. They may also be sexually attracted to  and attempt to form relationships with them, but HSTS will reject these advances, unless some advantage can be had through them.

I am not sure why Non-AGP-GAMP men feel ill at ease with AGP-GAMPs. I think — speaking purely for myself — that the addiction to living in a fantasy world, which is so characteristic of autogynephilia, may be sensed and disliked by Non-AGP-GAMP men. I note, again speaking for myself, that I rarely get on well with Western AGP transwomen, because of their masculine aggressiveness and defensive attitude. But I have more than a few friends in Asia who are AGP and I get on fine with them. It may be that the social factors that cause Western AGPs to not ‘come out’ until later in life, cause this problem. In Asia, where most AGPs come out in their teens, this is perhaps less apparent – although, like HSTS, they do have to contend with transphobic prejudice.

 

*It is becoming increasingly common in the literature to describe  pre or non-operative transwomen, as ‘gynandromorphs’ ‘men in the form of women’.  We don’t use this, because it conflates HSTS with AGPs and use the conventional terminology, transsexual or transvestite instead.


Also published on Medium.

4 Replies to “Gynandromorphophilia/GAMP: Loving Transwomen”

    1. I don’t know any GAMP who is a part of the ‘kink/lgbt’ ‘community’. We reject this out of hand and we DGAF. We are not ‘polysexual’, either. Try not to bring the notions of the feminazi/New Gay Man thought police here, they are not welcome.

  1. My husband fits your description of B-GAMP to a “tee”.
    As for me, most people “assume” I am what you describe as HSTS – I started transition in my 20s, live “stealth”, and am post-op; people I encounter in my everyday life have no idea I am trans, and they have no reason to think I’m anything other than an ordinary straight woman. However, inside myself, I think I also fit parts of your description of the Asian AGP. I am not Asian however, I am Latina. As a young teen, I started identifying as bisexual, and had a boyfriend in high school as well as girlfriends. This was years before I came to put the pieces together and identify as trans (late teens).
    Today, I find masculine men like my husband, and feminine trans women equally attractive, but in very different ways. I love my husband’s body, his pheromones, the feeling of his arms around me, and everything about him – I don’t see anything “pseudo” about my attraction to him, or to my previous boyfriends who I was dating before him. My husband and I have a great, loving relationship, spend lots of quality time together, and have an active sex life (although he does prefer the back to the front). So there’s at least one couple like us out there.

    1. Hi and thank you for your response and your very interesting comments about your sexuality. Quite frankly I think that there is something of a scale. We categorise TS as ‘homosexual’ and ‘non-homosexual’ but even extremely HS TS (that is, exclusively attracted to men sexually), definitely show a special affinity for women. I am inclined to think that human sexuality, while broadly conforming to the sexual norms of hetero, homo and bi, is actually more fluid than that. Completely straight men, in the right circumstances, indulge in homosexual sex — prison sex is a classic example. Women do exactly the same thing. Now they could not do that if their orientation was absolute so I think there is a lot more grey area than we usually think. I also think the culture is really important. Here in Asia, transgirls share beds with women all the time; it’s that sort of culture. Once sees whole families sleeping in the same bed and many Filipinos really dislike sleeping alone. But this only works as long as the sexual boundaries are preserved so even if a girl was a bit turned on and feeling sexy, the chances are she’d suppress it, because that is the cultural expectation. For an HSTS this is easy since they almost always prefer to be penetrated, for AGP it’s obviously harder. So although we do set up these almost rigid types we have to recognise individual variation. Also, true bisexualism in humans is woefully unstudied and in TS almost not at all. I do think it’s completely possible for an MtF to be really bisexual (rather than pseudo bisexual) and would still fall into the category HSTS.

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